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Posted - 2016.11.07 10:10:09 -
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because machariels are pretty
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Posted - 2016.11.07 11:13:46 -
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Beast of Revelations wrote:Another thing. The battlecruisers which fit battleship-sized guns have to go. Or the battleship-sized guns on them need to go, and they need to be given another role. Perhaps 8 cruiser-sized guns instead of the BS-sized ones would be fine.
This may not be the biggest factor in why battleships are less than desirable, but it's just one more factor. I say if you want 8 battleship-sized guns, you have to fly a battleship, not a cruiser for Pete's sake. Jeez Louise, seems like anyone could see that. It's just dumb the way it is. It's like CCP couldn't have done a better job of castrating battleships if they actually tried, which makes me wonder.
are you saying i can fit rapid heavy missiles to my orthrus???  800mm dual autocannons to a stabber?
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Posted - 2016.11.07 15:34:34 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Beast of Revelations wrote:Wanda Fayne wrote:Your ideas would require so much after-the-fact fixes to everything else in the game  I doubt it, but if so, who cares? If it needs fixing, it needs fixing, and if it is important to do, it is important to do. For me, the battleship issue is an intolerable situation. I know others who feel the same way. I've been able to train battleships for a long time, and have the skill books injected. I also have many support skills trained. But I have refused to train them. To me they are broken, and it simply isn't worth it. I'd like to see the issue fixed. So you've formed balance opinions about a class of ships yo have never even flown, and are arguing with people who have? That's...I don't even know what to call that.
what a time to be alive
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Posted - 2016.11.07 15:41:08 -
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March rabbit wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Beast of Revelations wrote:Another thing. The battlecruisers which fit battleship-sized guns have to go. Or the battleship-sized guns on them need to go, and they need to be given another role. Perhaps 8 cruiser-sized guns instead of the BS-sized ones would be fine.
This may not be the biggest factor in why battleships are less than desirable, but it's just one more factor. I say if you want 8 battleship-sized guns, you have to fly a battleship, not a cruiser for Pete's sake. Jeez Louise, seems like anyone could see that. It's just dumb the way it is. It's like CCP couldn't have done a better job of castrating battleships if they actually tried, which makes me wonder. are you saying i can fit rapid heavy missiles to my orthrus??? 800mm dual autocannons to a stabber? learn 2 read mate..... 
ill highlight because i may have read it slightly wrong, but he wrote it wrong too  but i can fit 800mm autocannons to a hurricane?
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Posted - 2016.11.08 10:13:37 -
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Beast of Revelations wrote:
and the answers are pretty much the same so you have just made your own thread redundant, good luck getting a proteus to do 1500dps with 90% webs like my vindicator
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Posted - 2016.11.08 15:49:47 -
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Wanda Fayne wrote:Hmmm...
Let's try to illustrate this a different way.
Pick a battleship.
I will fit and fly that battleship.
Meet me in space with ANYTHING you choose to fly.
Let's have a duel.
No boosts, links, alts, logi or tricks.
Just 'mano a mano'.
By your whole thread it really should be no contest at all.
inb4 he shows up in a svipul
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Posted - 2016.11.08 16:28:03 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Wanda Fayne wrote:
Pick a battleship.
I will fit and fly that battleship.
Meet me in space with ANYTHING you choose to fly.
This scenario hides one of the major reasons why battleships aren't more popular. How about you fly the battleship and he flies whatever he wants, and both of you start in Jita and have to go to the deep end of Providence, with whoever gets there first being able to add to his fleet 1 friend/alt per every 10 minutes spent waiting for the other person.
the op said PVP, not traveling
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Posted - 2016.11.09 09:38:58 -
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baltec1 wrote:Spoken like someone who doesn't fly battleships.
Now lets look at the meta out there. If you want a battleship fleet you turn to T3C because they are faster, tank more, get better tracking and a so forth. People are not using battleships not because of any fault of the battleships, its because the T3C do their job better, same goes for AHAC fleets, BC fleets and so on.
Its not the oversized mods, its the massive amount of bonuses T3C get coupled with ample fitting room. No amount of your posting is going to change anyones mind on this, we all know thse ships are horribly overpowered, CCP knows they are horribly overpowered and they have been for far far too long.
im seeing less and less t3c fleets going around these days...
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Posted - 2016.11.09 11:39:21 -
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baltec1 wrote:Lan Wang wrote:
im seeing less and less t3c fleets going around these days...
The breakup of the old empires means a lot have moved around and money has been more tight. Now that people are getting settled expect them to come back. The only reason goons went with megathrons was due to training time, organisations who can mass field T3C have the advantage. They have not lost any of their power.
hope not, i like my machariels 
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Posted - 2016.11.10 11:10:09 -
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its not really cheaper though, if you die you're adding an injector on top of that.
And you're regengu style cruisers (onyx/tengu) are easy to counter so i dont think the "oversized" mods are the issue
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Posted - 2016.11.10 11:20:24 -
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baltec1 wrote:Lan Wang wrote:its not really cheaper though, if you die you're adding an injector on top of that. Who bothers with that? You generally have the time between these fights to get that skill back. We still have a cruiser that thinks its a battleship here.
yeah i agree, i think the t1 battelships dont offer enough of a bonus to even bother choosing over a t3, faction bs's may be a different story with the bonuses to ewar they offer
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Posted - 2016.11.16 14:26:38 -
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Beast of Revelations wrote:Steffles wrote:
Hey Beast. I actually mentioned the recommissioning of those battleships a few posts up. Very cool you got to sail on one.
I didn't see you mention it, I'll go up and check - thanks. And thanks for the history lesson - very enlightening. I guess it's just like every other game I'm familiar with - talented developers who don't have a clue as far as game design, balance, etc.
Maybe its just you who doesn't have a clue about game design...maybe send them your resume if you are such good at the job.
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Posted - 2016.11.16 15:57:01 -
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Starrakatt wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Beast of Revelations wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
It took us a small gang to kill him, and he still killed one of our HACs, a Curse, before we could kill him.
What a tragedy. I'm sure you think you should have gotten out with no losses, and should have been able to take him on with even less than a small gang. As for me, my BS was attacked upon undocking from a station by two cruisers, one was Amarr, the other was Caldari. They attacked me completely without fear. At first I simply docked back up at the station (somehow the warp scrambler didn't scramble on one of the attempts). But then I said "waitaminute... I bought this thing to put it through trials, so let's put it through trials, losses be damned!" So I undocked again several minutes later. The two clowns were gone, but I just sat there outside the station and within a minute they warped right back and attacked me. They won fairly easily. Then again, I'm no elite PvP'er, so take it with a grain of salt. This is an example of someone who donesn't want to understand something. It took NINE of us to kill that guy in one ship (a TECH 1 ship that was, btw , LESS EXPENSIVE than some of the ships it took to kill it),. Even with a 9 to 1 advantage (in terms of players, something like 11 to 1 in terms of ship value) he still killed one of us and almost killed 2 others. 1 Less DPS ship on our part and the outcome would have been different. Yet somehow you think these kinds of ships need to be even stronger. What you don't get is that if that happens people will jsut start flying battleships all the time, and in short order the gameplay will become stale and stagnant for all of us, but especially for people who don't like battleships. I'm starting to understand that you aren't interested in good gameplay, but rather you just want the game to match your (real life based) expectations. That's a Megathron? Off a Stargate/Station where he can't de-agress, one long point t1 cruiser (with ranged weapons) and a couple of Tracking Disruptor can kill it. But then, everything has a counter. The thing is a brawler, ofc you going to lose **** if you get in scram/web range.
thats what mjd's are for :)
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